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has been done and we anticipate
even more as we continue our
assessment is more revelations
ocher.
before these unauthorized
disclosures we were always
conservative about discussing
the specifics of our collection
programs based on the truism
that the more adversaries know
about what we are doing the more
they can avoid our surveillance.
the disclosures for better or
for worse have lowered the
threshold for discussing these
matters in public so to the
degree we can discuss them we
will.
has been done and we anticipate
even more as we continue our
assessment is more revelations
ocher.
before these unauthorized
disclosures we were always
conservative about discussing
the specifics of our collection
programs based on the truism
that the more adversaries know
about what we are doing the more
they can avoid our surveillance.
the disclosures for better or
for worse have lowered the
threshold for discussing these
matters in public so to the
degree we can discuss them we
will.
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debate.
that's the fact despite the
large amount of americans
information being collected
under the intelligence law.
those law lack any substantial
public reporting requirements.
how many information are being
collected.
it doesn't have to tell
americans how many of their
investigate is actually seen by
national security officials.
what is more the companies that
debate.
that's the fact despite the
large amount of americans
information being collected
under the intelligence law.
those law lack any substantial
public reporting requirements.
how many information are being
collected.
it doesn't have to tell
americans how many of their
investigate is actually seen by
national security officials.
what is more the companies that
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plots and of the 54 third --
13 had some nexus to the u.s..
would you agree with that or no.
>> yes.
>> testimony stated that there
is only one example of a case
where but for section 215
following records collection
terrorist activity was stopped.
is mr. english write?
>> he is right.
i believe he said to chairman.
i may have that wrong but i
think he said two and i would
plots and of the 54 third --
13 had some nexus to the u.s..
would you agree with that or no.
>> yes.
>> testimony stated that there
is only one example of a case
where but for section 215
following records collection
terrorist activity was stopped.
is mr. english write?
>> he is right.
i believe he said to chairman.
i may have that wrong but i
think he said two and i would
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i believe he said to chairman.
i may have that wrong but i
think he said two and i would
like to point out it could have
only applied to 13 of the cases
because of the 54 terrorist
plots or events only 13 occurred
in the u.s..
>> i understand that but what i
worry about is that some of the
statements that all is well, we
are talking about massive
massive collection.
i believe he said to chairman.
i may have that wrong but i
think he said two and i would
like to point out it could have
only applied to 13 of the cases
because of the 54 terrorist
plots or events only 13 occurred
in the u.s..
>> i understand that but what i
worry about is that some of the
statements that all is well, we
are talking about massive
massive collection.
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we did give them insights.
they didn't take all the data.
i don't know what and why.
>> is what you're doing being
reviewed by the fisa court?
>> not in all cases.
some of these cases that deal
with executive order 12333 that
fall under the business records
would be.
these would not be reviewed but
they are reviewed by the
administration and audited by
our people.
>> my time is up.
you have raised well --
>> one of the problems we have
is this --
with this program is there is
not enough transparency.
>> thank you.
i worry.
you say it's executive authority
not fisa court authority.
does anybody have oversight of
other than the executive branch?
>> congress too.
>> has this been imported to the
we did give them insights.
they didn't take all the data.
i don't know what and why.
>> is what you're doing being
reviewed by the fisa court?
>> not in all cases.
some of these cases that deal
with executive order 12333 that
fall under the business records
would be.
these would not be reviewed but
they are reviewed by the
administration and audited by
our people.
>> my time is up.
you have raised well --
>> one of the problems we have
is this --
with this program is...
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committee of intelligence.
as noted in the foreign
intelligence bill they would
be required to seek approval
of the vocational data but i
would just say this may be
something that is a future
requirement for the country
but not right now because
when we identify a number we
can give it to the fbi when
they get probable cause they
committee of intelligence.
as noted in the foreign
intelligence bill they would
be required to seek approval
of the vocational data but i
would just say this may be
something that is a future
requirement for the country
but not right now because
when we identify a number we
can give it to the fbi when
they get probable cause they
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give you time to add that if you
would like but could you go back
to my question?
is the nsa compiling profiles
and dossiers of the american
people?
>> in every case for valid cases
let me go to general alexander.
>> those reports are inaccurate
and wrong.
>> "the new york times" is wrong
in its article?
>> absolutely.
here are the facts.
what they have taken is the fact
that we do take data to enrich
it.
what is not in front of the
statements is the word foreign.
give you time to add that if you
would like but could you go back
to my question?
is the nsa compiling profiles
and dossiers of the american
people?
>> in every case for valid cases
let me go to general alexander.
>> those reports are inaccurate
and wrong.
>> "the new york times" is wrong
in its article?
>> absolutely.
here are the facts.
what they have taken is the fact
that we do take data to enrich
it.
what is not in front of the
statements is the word...
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we did give them insights.
they didn't take all the data.
i don't know what and why.
>> is what you're doing being
reviewed by the fisa court?
>> not in all cases.
some of these cases that deal
with executive order 12333 that
fall under the business records
would be.
these would not be reviewed but
they are reviewed by the
administration and audited by
our people.
we did give them insights.
they didn't take all the data.
i don't know what and why.
>> is what you're doing being
reviewed by the fisa court?
>> not in all cases.
some of these cases that deal
with executive order 12333 that
fall under the business records
would be.
these would not be reviewed but
they are reviewed by the
administration and audited by
our people.
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technologically possible and
just because something may be
deemed technically legal does
not mean it is the right thing
to do.
this summer many americans
learned for the first time
section 215 of the u.s. patriot
act that for years has been
secretly interpreted to
authorize the interpretation of
americans phone numbers on an
unprecedented scale.
the american public learned more
about the government's
collection of internet content
data through the use of
technologically possible and
just because something may be
deemed technically legal does
not mean it is the right thing
to do.
this summer many americans
learned for the first time
section 215 of the u.s. patriot
act that for years has been
secretly interpreted to
authorize the interpretation of
americans phone numbers on an
unprecedented scale.
the american public learned more
about the government's
collection of internet content
data through the use of
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it's handled differently..
it's handled differently..
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part unintentional mistakes that
government brought to the
court's attention on its own
accord.
of course the bad news is that
even with all the checks and
balances else into the system
these kinds of errors can still
recurve.
even more unsettling or other
airports since july that
suggested that there have been
cases of intentional willful
misuse of intelligence
authorities by nsa employees to
spy on their spouses and
neighbors.
part unintentional mistakes that
government brought to the
court's attention on its own
accord.
of course the bad news is that
even with all the checks and
balances else into the system
these kinds of errors can still
recurve.
even more unsettling or other
airports since july that
suggested that there have been
cases of intentional willful
misuse of intelligence
authorities by nsa employees to
spy on their spouses and
neighbors.
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dossiers on americans?
>> are you going toward the
social networks?
>> no.
>> what if anything is anchored
in "the new york times" article?
>> the accuracy is the secretary
of defense and the attorney
general did approve a
supplemental procedures
governing committee patients
metadata analysis and 2009.
what that allows us to do is use
metadata that we have acquired
under executive order whether
it's phone records or e-mails
through u.s. selectors to figure
out social networks abroad.
dossiers on americans?
>> are you going toward the
social networks?
>> no.
>> what if anything is anchored
in "the new york times" article?
>> the accuracy is the secretary
of defense and the attorney
general did approve a
supplemental procedures
governing committee patients
metadata analysis and 2009.
what that allows us to do is use
metadata that we have acquired
under executive order whether
it's phone records or e-mails
through u.s. selectors to figure
out...
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getting that balance right.
my bill would change this.
it would make the government
give annual statistic on the
number of america's information
collected.
and the number whose information
is actually reviewed.
it would also let companies
disclose agreements and
disclosing a are aggravate
statistics on the number of
requests they get and a number
of accounts affected.
i'm very pleased to report that
yesterday morning perk's leading
tech companies from apple to
getting that balance right.
my bill would change this.
it would make the government
give annual statistic on the
number of america's information
collected.
and the number whose information
is actually reviewed.
it would also let companies
disclose agreements and
disclosing a are aggravate
statistics on the number of
requests they get and a number
of accounts affected.
i'm very pleased to report that
yesterday morning perk's leading
tech companies from apple to
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financial records on
millions of us citizens
cftc.
>> consumer financial
protection bureau.
>> not that i know of.
but it is always the fbi but
whether under a regular
court or the fisa court.
>> in the same for voice
mail and text messages?
financial records on
millions of us citizens
cftc.
>> consumer financial
protection bureau.
>> not that i know of.
but it is always the fbi but
whether under a regular
court or the fisa court.
>> in the same for voice
mail and text messages?
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tools to help keep us safe.
but there is always a but, there
has to be limits on the
surveillance powers we give to
the government.
just because something is
technologically possible and
just because something may be
deemed technically legal does
not mean it is the right thing
to do.
tools to help keep us safe.
but there is always a but, there
has to be limits on the
surveillance powers we give to
the government.
just because something is
technologically possible and
just because something may be
deemed technically legal does
not mean it is the right thing
to do.
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discarded after five years?
>> so for nsa, it depends on the
type of data.
so in the meta data repository
for 215, as you stated, and aged
off after five years by court
direction.
if there's a report, that, of
course, would not be aged off.
the report will stand just like
other intelligence activities.
within the executive order,
12333 meta data repository.
it depends on the repository and
the type of data being done.
generally speaking it's five
discarded after five years?
>> so for nsa, it depends on the
type of data.
so in the meta data repository
for 215, as you stated, and aged
off after five years by court
direction.
if there's a report, that, of
course, would not be aged off.
the report will stand just like
other intelligence activities.
within the executive order,
12333 meta data repository.
it depends on the repository and
the type of data being done.
generally speaking it's five
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sometimes find we get far more
in the newspaper and we get a
crossword puzzle too but we get
more in the newspapers than we
do in the classified re-things
that you give us.
according to the article the nsa
associates and locates americans
now if it's accurate it appears
to contradict earlier
representation that the nsa does
not compile dossiers of files on
the wrecking people.
is the nsa compiling dossiers of
sometimes find we get far more
in the newspaper and we get a
crossword puzzle too but we get
more in the newspapers than we
do in the classified re-things
that you give us.
according to the article the nsa
associates and locates americans
now if it's accurate it appears
to contradict earlier
representation that the nsa does
not compile dossiers of files on
the wrecking people.
is the nsa compiling dossiers of
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and said we anticipate a strike,
but we don't know what.
we don't nowhere.
we don't know when.
that can never be allowed to
happen in the united states of
america again.
that's the basis for this
program.
it's legal.
we are looking at increased
transparency.
we are looking to make some
changes in it.
but we are not looking to
destroy it.
to destroy it is to make this
nation more vulnerable.
i just wanted to say that.
i had to say it.
thank you.
and said we anticipate a strike,
but we don't know what.
we don't nowhere.
we don't know when.
that can never be allowed to
happen in the united states of
america again.
that's the basis for this
program.
it's legal.
we are looking at increased
transparency.
we are looking to make some
changes in it.
but we are not looking to
destroy it.
to destroy it is to make this
nation more vulnerable.
i just wanted to say that.
i had to say it.
thank you.
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and section 7702 of fisa.
in this way without a warrant
collected content of tens of
thousands of --
americans.
nsa violated a fisa order under
215 records database without
meeting the standards imposed by
the court.
these repeated violations led to
several reprimands by the fisa
court for what the fisa court
called a systemic noncompliance
by the government.
a series of substantial
misrepresentations to the court.
now we have seen no evidence of
and section 7702 of fisa.
in this way without a warrant
collected content of tens of
thousands of --
americans.
nsa violated a fisa order under
215 records database without
meeting the standards imposed by
the court.
these repeated violations led to
several reprimands by the fisa
court for what the fisa court
called a systemic noncompliance
by the government.
a series of substantial
misrepresentations to the court.
now we have seen no evidence of
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if i could just read it real
quick as previously reported
of the oversight committee
it does not collect
vocational information under
the patriot act that they
receive samples to test the
ability of the format but it
was not used for any other
purposes and is never
available in the 2013 closed
hearing of a select
committee of intelligence.
if i could just read it real
quick as previously reported
of the oversight committee
it does not collect
vocational information under
the patriot act that they
receive samples to test the
ability of the format but it
was not used for any other
purposes and is never
available in the 2013 closed
hearing of a select
committee of intelligence.
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used to authorize collection.
the government has not made its
case in bulk collection of
domestic phone records is an
effective counterterrorism tool
especially in light of the
intrusion on american privacy.
in addition i find the legal
justification for this bulk --
to be be strained of it.
i looked at the classified list
of cases involving section 215
and i found to be unconvincing.
used to authorize collection.
the government has not made its
case in bulk collection of
domestic phone records is an
effective counterterrorism tool
especially in light of the
intrusion on american privacy.
in addition i find the legal
justification for this bulk --
to be be strained of it.
i looked at the classified list
of cases involving section 215
and i found to be unconvincing.
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spy on their spouses and
neighbors.
these disclosures have created a
broader crisis of trust in the
legitimacy of our intelligence
gathering methods generally.
in my view have these programs
and more transparent from the
start the trust deficit that the
american people have wouldn't be
as severe as it is now.
spy on their spouses and
neighbors.
these disclosures have created a
broader crisis of trust in the
legitimacy of our intelligence
gathering methods generally.
in my view have these programs
and more transparent from the
start the trust deficit that the
american people have wouldn't be
as severe as it is now.
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they were not all thwarted to
the american people are getting
left with an accurate impression
of the effectiveness of the nsa
programs.
would you agree that the 54
cases that kid getting cited by
the administration were not all
plots and of the 54 third --
13 had some nexus to the u.s..
would you agree with that or no.
>> yes.
they were not all thwarted to
the american people are getting
left with an accurate impression
of the effectiveness of the nsa
programs.
would you agree that the 54
cases that kid getting cited by
the administration were not all
plots and of the 54 third --
13 had some nexus to the u.s..
would you agree with that or no.
>> yes.
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privacy of americans and our
allies is better than any
country in the world.
>> i have one more question
mr. chairman.
is it the only program that
fisa runs under 700 to?
be the guests into under
that authority for the court
but that is under seven '05
privacy of americans and our
allies is better than any
country in the world.
>> i have one more question
mr. chairman.
is it the only program that
fisa runs under 700 to?
be the guests into under
that authority for the court
but that is under seven '05
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documented instances where the
nsa employees abused their
authorities.
it was heartening to see how few
cases of intentional misconduct
exists but on the other hand
it's alarming to know the
possibility of employees
engaging in such behavior turns
out to be very real.
the nsa inspectors general's
response to my letter reflected
that many of these cases were
referred to the department of
justice for possible criminal
documented instances where the
nsa employees abused their
authorities.
it was heartening to see how few
cases of intentional misconduct
exists but on the other hand
it's alarming to know the
possibility of employees
engaging in such behavior turns
out to be very real.
the nsa inspectors general's
response to my letter reflected
that many of these cases were
referred to the department of
justice for possible criminal
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together data while protecting
rights.
i listen to this program being
described as a surveillance
program.
it is not --
there is no content collected by
the nsa.
there are bits of data,
location, television numberses
that can be queried when there's
reasonable suspicious.
if it looks like shotgun for the
individual in the country.
it goes to the fbi for a
probably cause warrant and a
together data while protecting
rights.
i listen to this program being
described as a surveillance
program.
it is not --
there is no content collected by
the nsa.
there are bits of data,
location, television numberses
that can be queried when there's
reasonable suspicious.
if it looks like shotgun for the
individual in the country.
it goes to the fbi for a
probably cause warrant and a
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i'm very pleased to report that
yesterday morning perk's leading
tech companies from apple to
going toll microsoft to facebook
and twitter to yahoo!, all of
these companies sent a letter
supporting my bill.
urging this committee and
congress to pass it.
without objection, mr.
chairman, i'll enter a copy of
this to the record.
>> without objection.
i'm very pleased to report that
yesterday morning perk's leading
tech companies from apple to
going toll microsoft to facebook
and twitter to yahoo!, all of
these companies sent a letter
supporting my bill.
urging this committee and
congress to pass it.
without objection, mr.
chairman, i'll enter a copy of
this to the record.
>> without objection.
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>> yeah.
>> thank you.
you and i asked the fbi --
collected under the 215.
he testified that the data
collected under 215 is scrapped
every five years or after five
years, i think on a rolling
basis.
it is all meta data collected
under other authorities also
discarded after five years?
>> so for nsa, it depends on the
>> yeah.
>> thank you.
you and i asked the fbi --
collected under the 215.
he testified that the data
collected under 215 is scrapped
every five years or after five
years, i think on a rolling
basis.
it is all meta data collected
under other authorities also
discarded after five years?
>> so for nsa, it depends on the
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other intelligence activities.
within the executive order,
12333 meta data repository.
it depends on the repository and
the type of data being done.
generally speaking it's five
years.
there may be pieces of
information that we retain
longer that are our intelligence
value overseas that is different
than the ones we have in the
united.
that's all that nsa has in those
areas.
>> as i understand that, yeah.
it's handled differently..
other intelligence activities.
within the executive order,
12333 meta data repository.
it depends on the repository and
the type of data being done.
generally speaking it's five
years.
there may be pieces of
information that we retain
longer that are our intelligence
value overseas that is different
than the ones we have in the
united.
that's all that nsa has in those
areas.
>> as i understand that, yeah.
it's handled differently..
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alexander in support to find
them a needle in the
haystack but the fact it can
tell so much from the target
of the detailed analysis
indicates there is some
privacy interest at stake
given the current doctrine
that we come together that
private details should the
alexander in support to find
them a needle in the
haystack but the fact it can
tell so much from the target
of the detailed analysis
indicates there is some
privacy interest at stake
given the current doctrine
that we come together that
private details should the
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with their privacy in enter
the which this standard is
being conducted in we have
made progress with
transparency to the
congressional oversight but
it did not provide lasting
assurance.
>> i completely agree in
these changes was a degree
with their privacy in enter
the which this standard is
being conducted in we have
made progress with
transparency to the
congressional oversight but
it did not provide lasting
assurance.
>> i completely agree in
these changes was a degree
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foreign brodeur i did not
think of other bulk records
that we would need like the
phone but i do think fazio
look at the phone data that
is the question releasing
the intel committee today
what they understood of the
vocational data and the
requirements, a rethink
right now there are but i
foreign brodeur i did not
think of other bulk records
that we would need like the
phone but i do think fazio
look at the phone data that
is the question releasing
the intel committee today
what they understood of the
vocational data and the
requirements, a rethink
right now there are but i
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they need.
absent a search warrant.
does the nsa have the
ability or access to
voicemail content or the
financial records on
they need.
absent a search warrant.
does the nsa have the
ability or access to
voicemail content or the
financial records on
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>> the at 09 order is still
being used?
>> that that is correct but
their cases i need to clarify
this and want to make sure this
100% good.
there cases where the fbi light
started terrorist threat in the
united states.
if there's a terrorist threat in
the united states and they get a
warrant to go after that ari
fisa then we can use fisma to go
after that.
we can look at hostages overseas
u.s. hostages.
we can look at this to attract
industries because u.s.
companies are considered u.s.
persons under this law that are
the targets of terrorist
communications.
what we are doing we are not
creating social networks.
we are doing that and the
insinuation that we are doing
that is flat wrong.
i take exception to that.
taking a classified document
that dealt with foreign
>> the at 09 order is still
being used?
>> that that is correct but
their cases i need to clarify
this and want to make sure this
100% good.
there cases where the fbi light
started terrorist threat in the
united states.
if there's a terrorist threat in
the united states and they get a
warrant to go after that ari
fisa then we can use fisma to go
after that.
we can look at hostages overseas
u.s. hostages.
we can look at this to attract
industries because u.s.
companies are considered...
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i so regret what is happening.
i will do everything i can to
prevent this program from being
canceled out.
there's going to be a bill in my
committee to do it.
there's a bill in this committee
to do it.
and unfortunately, very few of
us sat on this committee when
george came in in june of 2001
and said we anticipate a strike,
but we don't know what.
we don't nowhere.
we don't know when.
i so regret what is happening.
i will do everything i can to
prevent this program from being
canceled out.
there's going to be a bill in my
committee to do it.
there's a bill in this committee
to do it.
and unfortunately, very few of
us sat on this committee when
george came in in june of 2001
and said we anticipate a strike,
but we don't know what.
we don't nowhere.
we don't know when.
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data through the use of
section 702 of fisa.
since the committees last
hearing on these revelations in
late july we have learned a
great deal more.
we have learned the nsa has
committed --
implementation of section 215
and section 7702 of fisa.
in this way without a warrant
collected content of tens of
thousands of --
americans.
nsa violated a fisa order under
data through the use of
section 702 of fisa.
since the committees last
hearing on these revelations in
late july we have learned a
great deal more.
we have learned the nsa has
committed --
implementation of section 215
and section 7702 of fisa.
in this way without a warrant
collected content of tens of
thousands of --
americans.
nsa violated a fisa order under
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today.
doctor -- general alexander
when asked if 20 records of
all americans would testify
i believe quoted as a
nation's best interest to
put all code records into a
lock box and weaken certain
when the nation needs to do
it.
besides the phone records
were the records to believe
the federal government
should be doing?
today.
doctor -- general alexander
when asked if 20 records of
all americans would testify
i believe quoted as a
nation's best interest to
put all code records into a
lock box and weaken certain
when the nation needs to do
it.
besides the phone records
were the records to believe
the federal government
should be doing?
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of cases involving section 215
and i found to be unconvincing.
the deputy director of the nsa
himself acknowledge that at our
last hearing a couple of weeks
ago that there is no evidence
section 215 phone records
collection have --
of cases involving section 215
and i found to be unconvincing.
the deputy director of the nsa
himself acknowledge that at our
last hearing a couple of weeks
ago that there is no evidence
section 215 phone records
collection have --
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with particular pride in my alma
mater georgetown for his
representative among those
witnesses.
i hope this will inform a
legislative efforts.
we all agree we have to ensure
our nation's security.
we also have to restore the
trust of the american people in
our intelligence community.
fundamentally we have to protect
the liberties that have kept us
great in a diversified mocker
saint and the envy of countries
with particular pride in my alma
mater georgetown for his
representative among those
witnesses.
i hope this will inform a
legislative efforts.
we all agree we have to ensure
our nation's security.
we also have to restore the
trust of the american people in
our intelligence community.
fundamentally we have to protect
the liberties that have kept us
great in a diversified mocker
saint and the envy of countries