. >> that's guardian columnist glen greenwald, deep pending his reporting on government spying. his actions causing a debate over activism and journalism. mark sullivan, public editor at the new york times, wrote this. quote, a real journalist is one that understands that a cellular level, and doesn't shy away from adversarial relationship between government and press, the very tension that america's founders had in mind with the first amendment. those who fully meet the description deserve to be respected and protected, not marginalized. "the new york times" media columnist david carr warns that i do think that activism, which is admittedly accompanied by the kind of determine determination that can prompt discovery can also impair vision. if an agenda is in play and momentum at work cracks may go unexplored. judy miller, you served time and in -- time in prison because you were a journalist. has he gone over the line? >> no, i don't think he has. i think he needs to be defended. i think hay is a journalist with a point of view. he's a columnist. he's a blogger. he is now a mem

>> i think -- or traitor. >> on greenwald it's much more interesting to me. when you look at the rosen case the idea that an american journalist would be targeted for prosecution as part of that conspiracy, you think in the rosen case there was use of aliases and blind email accounts and the government might think there is something more going on here. if you put the government in charge of who is journalist and who is not journalist we undo first amendment protection. you difficulty at this you get a terrorist and i am working for "x" magazine and i wanted to end american democracy because i think america is a terrible place. >> and spy on al-qaeda magazine stwh that person a journalist? i don't think so. i think like in the rosen case, the mistake that was made there was law enforcement didn't say, hey, who is this guy? does he have a record? does he have background as a professional journalist? >> there are interesting questions here, journalists and propaganda. and activists the question in this case is not glen greenwald. he is not the issue here. he was

but -- and here's where greenwald's story today is important -- the question is not whether they're viewed as an official policy but whether they can be. snowden told greenwald yes. >> i sitting at my desk certainly this the authorities to wiretap anyone. >> though members and supporters of the u.s. national security apparatus disputed that. >> there's no question but that edward snowden has been completely vindicated by the documents and by the disclosures as a completely honest whistle-blower one of the most significant whistle blowers in

how in the world can greenwald claim, oh, none of this harmed national security.doesn't know that, does he? >> jim and i actually are in total agreement on this particular addition in that the burden should not be on greenwald. the burden is on snowden, that is where the focus should be. and indeed just like james rosen, or jim or myself, and particularly greenwald happens to be an advocacy journalist who stands for something. he does have a point of view, the word journalist encompasses a lot of things and and that's one of the things that greenwald does. greg: would you agree that there is no way that glen greenwald would know that this harmed stphaeugs tphal security? >> susan rice has said she doesn't know of any evidence. greg: would you agree that dianne feinstein and mike rogers and secretary of state john kerry would know better than glen greenwald whether it hurt national security? >> look, if it's true that the burden falls on reporters, reporting news we are all in trouble, including this segment here. we are doing that much more to distribute informati

glenn greenwald, welcome back to democracy now!>> good to be back. >> let's start with your reaction to this latest hearing. both democrats and republicans are beginning to seriously question government officials about the nsa scandal. >> it is very encouraging. it is remarkable that you look media isuch of the focused on, the trivialities and personality surrounding this story, it is completely divergent from what has taken place in the halls of washington, in the fisa court, and in american public opinion. the most recent poll shows americans view what edward -- edward snowden is a whistleblower and not a traitor. the fact that you now see members of all political parties within the u.s., senate, house of representatives, increasingly angry over the fact they were misled and lied to by the obama administration, the laws enacted in the wake of nine/ -- 9/11 are being incredibly distorted by secret, legal interpretations approved by secret courts come i think really indicates exactly that spurred edward snowden were valid and compe

. >> we will speak with the guardian's glenn greenwald in brazil. all of that and more coming up. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. deadly violence is continuing in egypt days after the military ouster president mohammed morsi. earlier today, at least 42 people were reportedly killed at the military site where he is being detained. the muslim brotherhood said the victims were holding a peaceful sit in when gunmen opened fire, wounding over 500 area did the victims included women and children. the egyptian military says it returned fire after being attacked by armed assailants. the brotherhood has to announce the shooting as a massacre and is calling for an uprising against the military. today shooting was the deadliest in a wave of violence that has left dozens killed in over 1000 injured since morsi was forced out of office last week area did we will have more from egypt with democracy now! correspondent sharif abdel kouddous after the headlines. russia lawmakers are encouraging national security agency whistleblower edward snowd

and when greenwald eventually release them, they would expose it as a fraud and attempt to undermine in that way. they had a similar chain for chamber watch as well. >> the concern was glenn greenwald's of wikileaks was giving them legitimacy. >> yes. they said in their, well, he is just a professional journalist and he will fold under pressure immediately. apparently, they were wrong about that. foundre were also e-mails where these private security firms were assessing the damage that journey scale's books had done -- jeremy schedules books had done to blackwater? >> i ran across that in the stratfor leaks. it were monitoring this because they were concerned lack water was going to get into the private intelligence business themselves. they were commenting on scahill. saying, i don't care much for his politics, but he really has these guys figured out. that was a little complement fors cahill. the amazing thing in all of this, is the degree to which these private security firms are engaging in attempts to influence what is going on in the public debate on intelligence. >> oh, yes.

when we come back, we go to glenn greenwald, the latest around nsa leaker edward snowden.ay with us. ♪ [music break] >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. show by looking at the international saga unfolding around edward snowden, the former u.s. intelligence contractor who the documents about u.s. secretiveness and global surveillance programs. country tothe latest join venezuela and nicaragua in offering snowden asylum. the decision came shortly after an airplane carrying bolivian president evo morales was rerouted to austria after france and portugal barred it from the airspace false suspicion snowden was on board. bolivia's defense minister later blamed the from her alice force landing in austria. >> as a justified protest, i would like to tell you, my brothers and sisters, that we will give him asylum if he asks for it. he is being persecuted by his compatriots. we are not afraid. i was being accused of transporting that agent who discovered and informed how the u.s. government illegally controlled us. i only knew about

greenwald, be charged with a crime? >> i think it's pretty extraordinary that anybody who would call themself a journalist would publicly muse about whether or not other journalists should be charged with felonies. the assumption in your question, david, is completely without evidence, the idea i've aided and abetted him in any way. the scandal that arose in washington before our stories began was about the fact that the obama administration is trying to criminalize investigative journalism by going through the emails and phone records of a.p. reporters, accusing a fox news journalist of the theory you just embraced, being a co-conspirator with felonies, in felonies for working with sources. if you want to embrace that theory, it means every investigative journalist in the united states who works with their sources, who receives classified information is a criminal. and it's precisely those theories and precisely that climate that has become so menacing in the united states. it's why "the new yorker's" jane mayer said i

greenwald has a little bit mixed up.ration, the government is trying to make an example out of mr. snowden because i believe that he broke the law. i believe that he engaged in violation of the espionage act. so it's appropriate to make an example out of him. the issue becomes, is mr. greenwald an advocacy journalist? it appears that he is. if he's an advocacy journalist, then we have to examine everything he's done with regard to this case. if he's merely a reporter and taking documents and say this is what i think the world should see, that's one thing. but when he becomes an advocate and almost a flak, the alter ego for the media for mr. snowden who is in communication in a russian hotel in the airport, then transparency should become the issue. what do we know about mr. greenwald's role in terms of being in hong kong? >> eric: but what if he's bringing out things that may be violating the constitution or, what if he has information that would lead to what went on in benghazi? should he not leak that if that was consi

as revelations as this story develops but i think it's very clear that glenn greenwald and his colleagues as well as the washington post mcclatchey and others they're furthering this story and they need our gratitude and they're doing what journalists are supposed to do printing information the government doesn't necessarily want in public that's the job of any journalist paying attention to national security and i think all of us should be glad that people like glenn greenwald are doing that kind of work otherwise we wouldn't really know the scale and scope of this spying operation we just have moments left here krag one final question the media's narrative they seem to be covering every aspect of snowden himself but not the real story of the n.s.a. why do you think that is i think it's an easier story to tell i think it doesn't actually threaten people in power i think the real story though what what is going on how is this massive surveillance happening that's the story the american people need to know they've gotten pieces of from the guardian they need a lot more reporters paying a l

need answers for certainly our right so we've heard for calls of the arrest of journalist glenn greenwald for the way that he published the stories given to him do you think that he leaked that if he published those leaks responsibly based on everything i know absolutely i think that you know we should be thanking going greenwald he did what you're supposed to do find sources and report the news that's what journalists do that it's what reporters do we'll learn more about snowden's revelations as this story develops but i think it's very clear that glenn greenwald and his colleagues as well as the washington post mcclatchey and others they're furthering this story and they need our gratitude and they're doing what journalists are supposed to do printing information the government doesn't necessarily want in public that's the job of any journalist paying attention to national security and i think all of us should be glad that people like glenn greenwald are doing that kind of work otherwise we wouldn't really know the scale and scope of this spying operation we just have moments left here

i really have -- greenwald, i don't believe that he thinks anything that has leaked could hurt americase he doesn't believe in the war on terror. it is always the so-called war on terror. so there's no such thing as espionage in his mind. therefore, anything that's released is okay, that's the frightening thing i think. >> quick thoughts? >> i don't think it is what president obama is doing to double o dork face, it is what dork face is doing to himself. president obama has no control over him, he can't get him back, can't pressure allies to give him back. if president obama really could flex his muscles, he would. he's not. >> i quote watergate papers, daniel ellsberg, what he did was expose i will lee gallonity, he uncovered that from the united states government when it comes to tapping their own citizens. you may want your stuff tapped into. i don't want them to touch mine. they can kiss my -- >> two issues, did edward snowden break the law, the other, did the nsa break the law. in my opinion -- >> i wish they would be specific. >> if you tend to like jazz music, read books on the

snowden said. >> that was glenn greenwald. can go to my first part of the interview at democracynow.org. when we come back, we will be joined by the ecuadoran foreign minister to talk about snowden's bid for asylum in ecuador as well as spying in lead america and around the world. stay with us. ♪ [music break] >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. we turn to ecuador, where edward snowden is seeking asylum. the company's president says they can not process the request until he reaches one of their embassies. he recently reported that he received a call from vice- president joe biden urging him to reject snowden's asylum bid. >> what a difference between vice-president biden and his equally raised congressmen and senators threatening the country. it was a friendly and cordial conversation. of course, we discussed the topic of snowden and, for which she communicated a kurdish request from the united states and we reject asylum. i told him with ecuadorean positio

that's a dangerous position for greenwald to be sitting in.mary objecti right now is protecting his source. cenk: switzerland they're neutral to your money they'll take it no matter where it comes from. you can be a drug dealer, murderer terrorist they'll that i can your money but snowden, he's too dangerous. they can't be neutral to that. they've got to bow their heads to the americans. >> it's not snow den it's america. it's the powers they have that are too dangerous. that's why we're seeing all of these countries to kowtow. >> don't relinquish on him. >> i have no trust in the american people defending him. >> look at the editorial that was put out by the editorial staff at the washington post. they said: >> this is the same news organization that published his leaks! cenk: yeah, are they also looking for bart geltman who was on their staff and published this stuff? should he also be arrested. think about it. all right we've got to go. we will be back with one final point. >> cenk: live picture of square. we'll give you updates on that. it

is built so basically basically mr greenwald says snowden is not going to reveal the blueprint oh how the n.s.a. operates is this the right decision in your opinion no no that would reveal sources and methods of how the agency does its business and that would alter ultimately give potential terrorists or people the alternately the united states needs to keep track of upper hand. and what surveillance is being done legitimate surveillance is being done and so on look kind of n.s.a. tactics might snowden be keeping to himself do you have any idea i don't have a specific idea i mean it's i mean i'm a space systems specialist if if he were to give away the techniques in the specifics of how we how we use spacecraft and how we use the medium of space in our in our surveillance and our capabilities in intelligence that would be that would be very bad for the united states alternately. and also according to greenwald snowden's been worried about his asylum effect stating attention from the actual revelations do you feel like the world cares more about his search for political refuge. it seem

personality to only focus on him well glenn greenwald articulated my sentiments exactly when he responded to her he said i'm really sorry that i forced you to talk about snowden and barred you from discussing our multiple and as a revelations. that you see no one's forcing the media to just talk about snowden is a national escapade he only came out to say is peace because he knew that he would eventually get smeared by the media anyway so i have a novel idea of blaming the whistleblower for trying to evade death by way of the espionage act you actually talk about the n.s.a. revelations are slow to do the job melissa harris perry failed to do and take a closer look at the velleman first a quick recap already know about prism program that allows the government to gain unprecedented access to user information from online giants in addition to spying on everyone the n.s.a. is storing about a billion cell phone calls on a daily basis at the n.s.a. has no shame guys and despite all of that damning information unfortunate there is much much more. leaks also reveal that the software giant microso

personality to only focus on him well glenn greenwald articulated my sentiments exactly when he responded to her he said i'm really sorry that i forced you to talk about snowden and barred you from discussing our multiple and as a revelations. that you see no one's forcing the media to just talk about snowden as a national escapade he only came out to say is peace because he knew that he would eventually get smeared by the media anyway so i have a novel idea of blaming the whistleblower for trying to evade death by way of the espionage act you actually talk about the n.s.a. revelations are slow to do the job melissa harris perry failed to do and take a closer look at the bellman's first a quick recap already know about prism program that allows the government to gain unprecedented access to user information from online giants in addition to spying on everyone the n.s.a. is storing about a billion cell phone calls on a daily basis at the n.s.a. has no shame guys and despite all of that damning information unfortunate there is much much more. leaks also reveal that the software giant micros

rights organizations and replayed his bid for refuge in russia i mean well guardian journalist glenn greenwald who's been breaking the news about the whole n.s.a. snooping he claims snowden holds information which could be america's worst nightmare let's bring in its user nicholas go on the story right here joining us live on this sunday morning hello to you every so ultimately let's let's backtrack just for a moment here he was hired by the n.s.a. respectable job was to be in certainly a good salary what is it that changed him well he has actually explained it with a human rights activist of course you have to understand that a thirty year old man first living in hawaii and then suddenly finds himself on the run from none other than u.s. authorities you have to have pretty good reasons for that and apparently snowden does this is what he told during the meeting with human rights activists in moscow on friday. a little over one month ago a. family home in paradise and i lived in great comfort. i also had the capability without any warrant of law to search for c.s. and read your communications

let's talk about it with jeffrey toobin and glenn greenwald. jeff, let me start with you.s your reaction to the verdict? >> i thought it was a good verdict. i think the charge of helping the enemy was excessive and i think it was good the judge acquitted him of that charge, but i think what manning did was appalling. i think he betrayed his fellow members of the military and service and he should be going to prison and will be. >> glen, i know you disagree. >> i do. i think the verdict and i also think that jeff's comments kind of under score what a lot of people hate about washington, which is if you're rich and powerful in washington, the laws don't apply and you don't get punished. the only people that do are bradley manning. one of the theories they used was that he engaged in espionage and helped the enemy because the material he caused to be published on the internet was helpful to osama bin laden. bob woodward wrote books and published secrets more secret than what wood ward published and nobody would talk about bob wood ward the way jeff tuben did because he's in g

it may mean he has and greenwald actually mentioned last week as well that snowden hard a stance a bully giving away all the given the way the materials that he's gathered. and that he put. material at the liberty of media organizations around the world i think there is certainly been been one that broke some amazing stories last week about the extent of n.s.a. surveillance in germany the guardian's continue to do that as well obviously as the as the main the main driver of the snowden story in greenwald association and. but then there is the news that snowden start to break moved into latin america as well as when he was going to spread you know over the last couple of weeks they've tactical knowledge the information spread. and the news spread. but it may be that the snowden well has run dry and that he's now thinking ok well i don't have much more news to break and now it's time to try to get out of this pokey little transit zone in a moscow airport about his attempts to eventually reach lance and america. well look i think the. a lot of people we can make a big deal out of the the th

it's not going to work if glenn greenwald has way more stuff that is going to threaten entire trade deals which is the one between the european union and the united states which is certainly what the french foreign minister and the rest of any of germany saying they're going to be urging talks is not taken as a joke because in the european union they harp on and doggone about the data protection act i think everyone in certainly in britain is talking about data protection of european that just nation about it in other words the european union is pointlessly drawing up legislation about freedom of information when in fact all it means is that word military industrial information goes straight to washington ahead of the talks let alone defense matters because france is a nuclear power britain's codes and you are with washington you talk about industrial information many saying this is more about industrial espionage than the national security interests or does this kind of spying industrial espionage leave us with less to worry about or is it just as bad. it's interesting to note from the n

greenwald, ands. thank you panel. if we would limit our questions to four minutes each, everybody in this room could get to ask questions before our vote series. if there is no objection to going with four minutes instead of five minutes, so ordered. the chair would now recognize -- the chair now recognizes herself or four minutes. thank you panel for being here. can you tell us which of these technologies is the most promising to improve energy utilization? >> yes. we have a process called right coal that will extract the water that in the past has been a missed opportunity. especially out of wyoming, known for using sulfur emissions up the e water has gone smoke stack along with other emissions. by extracting that water from that, we can increase up the smoke stack along -- we see that as a second value of low-ranked coal that we're delivering water with the energy resource. e second technology is a chemoautotrophic bacterial operate in thell dark to consume co-2 and make a bio-crude oil that can be used to make sip

you might wonder how greenwald is continuing to communicate with snowden.ncorrupted chat links, if you will. and it is worth remembering. the administration has said that snowden caused damage to our security but is not offering any examples and is not likely to because it all remains highly classified. >> thanks vex to barbara. >>> outfront, could the first lawsuit in the asiana crash come from the airline? the racist joke played on a local news station. >>> and a fight to the death. >>> for tonight's shoutout, we turn to baseball. this is great. canadian singer carly ray jepsen threw out the first pitch at a game in florida. i would be afraid if i ever did it that i would do just what she did. it bombed. okay. it bombed. you know what? this is just the latest in a string of sub par first pitches. mariah carey, justin bieber wilting under the pressure. perhaps trying too hard. but there have been some good ones, too. our shot goes to the rythmic gymnast. just watch it. i mean, they probably just fire the pitcher. she threw out the first pitch in south kore

how do you feel about glen greenwald's involvement in this. i think he has done a great public service, what is your take on glen greenwald. >> i would not go as far as hero because he's reporter and he's doing his job. the fact that he's doing his job in this case does not make him a hero. some people will call him a hero just speaks to the condition of reporting and investigative reporting in this country. i know what you're saying, and i'm being knit picky about it. he has done a great job here. yes, there are some things that snowden did which i understand leaves people feeling uncomfortable, and also i should say for myself i just assume that most of these things were going on already. by the way peter king said he might run for president in 2016 and he said today that iowans will have to get used to his new jersey accent. he's probably using this as a jumping off point about what the liberals are doing to the country. it's revealtory and it's bringing to light what happened here. >> david: president peter king would be president big brot

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glen greenwald is wildly litigious. greenwald does not believe in progress.nothing's pure enough for some liberals that you're never going to get anything done is my only point. he goes on to say that's the echo of greenwald's suspicionless of the democratic agenda. president obama scaled back the anti-terror policies, torture wireless wiretapping one could make the case he's not change enough. greenwald insists obama is worse than bush. obama's healthcare reform is not a step along the way, it was a monstrous sellout that did no good at all. this is stuff i just like -- i disagree with glen greenwald on. this way of looking at the world faces one in conflict with most liberals willing to establish between gradations of success. nader and greenwald believe their analysis is not only correct but the only motivation one could have is corruption. good faith or rank stupidity is not possible. his liberal critics are lacking partisan skills. for greenwald like nader -- i heartily disagree. the only difference gore and bush is the velocity at which their knees hit

greenwald wrote -- he went on -- in egypt, new clashes have erupted after week of relative quiet. at least seven people were killed and more than 260 wounded in overnight violence spurred by the ouster of president mohamed morsi. supporters of morsi in the muslim brotherhood blocked traffic and marched on the key square, angering local residents. police fired tear gas and bird shot into the crowds while protesters threw rocks. it came as william burns became the first u.s. official to go to egypt since morsi's ouster and addressed a news conference monday. >> only egyptians can determine their future. i did not come with american solutions nor did i come to lecture anyone. we know egyptians must forge their own have to democracy. we know this will not mirror our own and we will not try to impose our model on egypt. what the united states will do is stand behind certain asic principles, not any particular persons or personalities. issueddge in georgia has a last-minute stay of execution for men diagnosed as mentally disabled. warren hill was due to be executed monday night. under t

joining me now from rio de janeiro is columnist for the guardian, glenn greenwald. glen, thanks so much for joining us. i want to get right to the news of today, which is snowden has told the russian lawyer who's advising him, i will fulfill president putin's condition. as someone who has been in touch with snowden, is it your understanding that snowden is agreeing to no further leaks or is he simply maintaining his belief that the leaks are not harming national security? >> i think it's both. he said from the beginning that the condition that he not harm the united states was a very easy one for him to fulfill because nothing he's done has harmed the united states. quite the contrary, it's strengthened the united states by exposing what its political leaders are doing in the dark which strengthens democracy and brings about transparency but i think there's a misconception on the question of will he continue to do the leaks which is how these stories have been reported. he hassen been leaking document by document. he turned over to us many thousands of documents wee