as chuck lewis rightly says, it was "a monumental misrepresentation." welcome. >> welcome. >> it's great to be here. >> do you think george w. bush lied about iraq? do you think lyndon johnson lied about vietnam? >> yes. i do. you know, i've -- i tried very hard. you know, in the case of bush, i actually was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. because if someone believes it, if it's a matter of conviction and they've persuaded themselves of something that's untrue, is that a lie? or do they just have misguided beliefs that, you know. and i tried to give bush e benefit of the doubt there. but over time, each passing year, i've decided that i was way too generous. and the -- i look at flatly -- did they make statements that weren't true? the answer is yes. did they decide they were going to willfully do that over a period of two years? and was it an orchestrated campaign? and it was false statements. those were not coincidental. if you look who said what, when. and the when, especially, is quite relevant. this was an orchestrated campaign. which,